တစ္ေလာက အေမရိကန္ မူစလင္ ေကာင္စီ ဟူေသာ အဖြဲ ့အစည္း တစ္ခုမွ Dean Lawrence ဆိုသူ က ရခိုင္သမိုင္း ႏွင့္ အေရွ ့ေတာင္အာရွ သမိုင္း ပညာရွင္ ေဒါက္တာ ဦးေအးခ်မ္း အား သမိုင္းေၾကာင္း ဆိုင္ရာ အရ မခ်ဥ္းကပ္ဘဲ အေျခအျမစ္မဲ့စြာျဖင့္ ပုဂၢိဳလ္ေရး တိုက္ခိုက္မွဳေတြ ျပဳလုပ္ခဲ့ ပါသည္။ ၄င္း၏ တိုက္ခိုက္မွဳမ်ားကို ဤေနရာတြင္ သံုးသပ္ျပထားပါသည္။ စာရွဳသူမ်ား ေ၀ဖန္သံုးသပ္ႏိုင္ရန္ ျဖစ္ပါသည္။
From: Dean Lawrence
Subject: Re: Rohingya issue
Date: Friday, April 10, 2009, 12:55 PM
Dear Mr. Chan,
Many well respected historians had already rejected your claims as
fraudulent. (သမိုင္းပညာရွင္ မည္သူျဖစ္သည္ကို မေျပာျပႏိုင္ပါ။)We are not here to make personal attacks (i.e. barking
dogs , etc., as you mentioned) (ဆက္ဖတ္ပါ၊ ေျပာသလို မလုပ္တာ ကို သူ၏ေအာက္ပါ စာမ်ားတြင္ ဆက္လက္ ျမင္ရပါလိမ့္မည္) , but to point out that your claims are
baseless. (သူက ေဒါက္တာ ဦးေအးခ်မ္း၏ စာမ်ားကို အေျခအျမစ္မရွိ ဟု စြပ္စြဲေသာ္လည္း အမွန္တကယ္ အခ်က္အလက္မ်ားျဖင့္ သက္ေသမျပႏိုင္သည္မ်ားကို ဆက္လက္ျမင္ရပါမည္။) I am not a historian (as I said before), but we compile the
information gathered from various authentic sources, and we hand them
over to U.S. and European government agencies as well as other NGO's.
We read your papers written in your name and other names, and all has
a common serious flaw (ေဒါက္တာ ဦးေအးခ်မ္း၏ စာမ်ားတြင္ အမွားပါသည္ ဆိုေသာ ယူဆခ်က္တစ္ခု ကို တင္ျပျပီး သက္ေသမျပႏိုင္ေပ။) - Rohingyas are illegal immigrants entered
Burma during British colonial period and during Bangladesh
independence war. This is a fundamental flaw in all of your papers
which were written under different names. (ဘာေၾကာင့္မွားရသလဲ မေျပာျပႏိုင္ေသးပါ၊ မွားေနတယ္ မွားေနတယ္ လို ့သာ ေျပာေနပါတယ္။) You have no ground to
challenge since you have confused Rohingyas with those FRC
card-holding east Pakistanis(Chittago nians) during Mr. U Nu's
administration. We will keep an eye on your pieces as you continue to
portay Kanda as an evil institution in the name of academic platform. (ပုဂၢိဳလ္ေရး ကိုသာမက ၄င္းပုဂၢိဳလ္ အလုပ္လုပ္ကိုင္ေသာ စာေပရပ္၀န္း တစ္ခုကို ပါ ေပၚေပၚထင္ထင္ တိုက္ခိုက္လာတာ ျဖစ္ပါတယ္။)
Please communicate with us about Rohingyas and other persecuted
minorities in Asia, if you know of any. Thank you.
Sincerely,
Lawrence Dean, Ph.D.
AMC Groups International
Washington, D.C.
On Thu, 4/9/09,
Dean Lawrence wrote:
From: Dean Lawrence
Subject: Re: Rohingya issue
Date: Thursday, April 9, 2009, 1:33 PM
Dear Mr. Chan,
We were very pleased that you entered the debate a couple of weeks
ago. Unfortunately, you seem to be backing out very quickly with the
reason of wasting time. Promoting the cause of the nationalist
Bhuddist Rakhine (ဘာသာေရး ကို အဘယ္ေၾကာင့္ ထည့္ေျပာရပါသနည္း၊) and the Burmese military junta has always been one of your top priorities. (စြပ္စြဲခ်က္မ်ား ထည့္သြင္းထားပါသည္၊) Won't it be of tremendous benefit to your group and the junta, if you continue to post pieces on junta-backed
nationalist sites such as Narinjara.com and Rakhapura.com? (ဦးေလာရင့္မွာ အခ်က္အလက္မ်ား မွားေနသည္ကို ျပန္မဆန္းစစ္ မိေပ။ နရိန္စရာ သတင္း ဌာနမွာ စစ္အစိုးရႏွင့္ ပတ္သက္မွဳ မရွိရံု မက အတိုက္အခံ အင္အားစု ထဲမွ နာမည္ရ သတင္းဌာန တစ္ခု ျဖစ္ပါသည္။ နရိန္စရာ သတင္းဌာန နာမည္ရလာသည္မွာ လည္း သတင္းမ်ားကို အခ်ိန္ႏွင့္ တေျပးညီ ေဖာ္ျပႏိုင္ျခင္း၊ တစ္ျခားသတင္းဌာနမ်ား ထက္ ရခိုင္ေဒသ သတင္းမ်ားကို ပိုမို ေဖာ္ျပေပး ႏိုင္ျခင္း တို ့ေၾကာင့္ ျဖစ္ပါသည္။)
Additionally, your falsification of history of Rakhine state and it's
indigenous population in your various articles should also continue. (ယူဆခ်က္ တစ္ခုကို သက္ေသမျပႏိုင္လွ်င္ အမွန္အျဖစ္လက္မခံႏိုင္ ဟူေသာ ႏိုင္ငံတကာ စာေပ စည္းကမ္းတစ္ခု ကို ေဖာက္ဖ်က္ေနပါသည္။ )
The more you fabricate, the greater the attention that you will
receive. We will not be surprised if some day you receive attention
from Japanese authorities (including the board of trustees and
administrators for your small college) about your aiding and abetting
of ethnic cleansing by Burmese junta through your disinformation
campaign using Kanda as a platform. (ေဒါက္တာ ဦးေအးခ်မ္းမွာ ကန္ဒ တကၠသိုလ္ တြင္ အလုပ္လုပ္ေသာ္လည္း သူ၏ စာေပမ်ားမွာ တစ္ဦးတည္း ကိုယ္ပိုင္ ရပ္တည္ခ်က္မ်ား ျဖစ္ပါသည္။) Let's hope that Kanda administrators are not summoned to the Hague for serving as an ethnic
cleansing platform. (ဦးေလာရင့္မွာ ေဒါက္တာဦး ေအးခ်မ္းကို တိုက္ခိုက္ခ်င္ရံုမွ် မက သူအလုပ္လုပ္ေသာ ေနရာ ကိုပင္ ပ်က္စီးျခင္းသို ့ ေရာက္ေစခ်င္ေသာ မိစၦိရ စိတ္မ်ား လႊမ္းေနပါသည္။)
You said you have nothing to do with the postings in Narinjara and
Rakhapura sites, and indicated to us to contact the editorial board.
Then would you kindly give us the contact information on the so-called
editorial board of these sites. We will appreciate it very much if you
would assist us with the board members' names (excluding your
aliases). (ဦးေလာရင့္မွာ တစ္ဖန္ထပ္မံ၌ အက်ိဳးမရွိေသာ စာမ်ားကို ဆက္လက္ေရးသားပါသည္။ အင္တာနက္ေခတ္တြင္ သိခ်င္လွ်င္ Google အကူအညီယူ၌ အလုပ္ျဖစ္ေနၾကသည္ ကို မသိမူ၌ ကေလးဆိုး တစ္ဦးကဲ့သို့ သူမ်ား အကူအညီကို ေတာင္းခံေနေလသည္။) We assure you that there will be nothing personal in this.
Thank you again, and we hope to hear from you when you have a few
minutes to write.
Sincerely,
Lawrence Dean, Ph.D.
AMC Groups International
Washington, D.C.
On Tue, 4/7/09, Dean Lawrence
wrote:
From: Dean Lawrence
Subject: Re: Rohingya issue
Date: Tuesday, April 7, 2009, 9:09 AM
Dear Mr. Chan:
There is no need to be angry. Being a historian (as you claimed),
you could be a little more diplomatic. "I don't care..." all
these are kiddish expressions showing very little maturity. (ဤေရးသားခ်က္မွာ ပုဂၢိဳလ္ေရး တိုက္ခိုက္မွဳ သက္သက္သာ ျဖစ္ပါသည္။) I will not make much
issue out of your old English name, Edward, as it is not the central point. I
am glad that you took our traditional name. Just wondered being a
nationalist, why would you choose such a nick name which has a Christian
connotation. (ေရးစရာရွားလာ သျဖင့္ သူမ်ား၏ နာမည္ကို အေၾကာင္း ကို သာ ပုတ္ခတ္ေျပာဆိ ုလာပါသည္။ စာေပေရးရာ၊ သမိုင္းေရးရာ ႏွင့္ လံုးလံုးကင္းကြာလာပါသည္။ ) Since you are a nationalist Bhuddist, shouldn't you choose a Indian nickname such as Gautam, Agatha, etc. I assure you that these are not personal attacks. We are only searching for the logic. Whatever small thing one does,
it will get attention. To be objective, of course, one can legitimately point
out the character issue if an individual (from Japan or anywhere) is
engaged in deceptive activities (personally or politically) . You asked me
whether I am a white man or not. That is something that you should not worry.
You folks in Burma are always engaged in black, white, Indian, or
Chinese issue. One's appearance or gene pool should not matter. I may
be a white or black or Latin; that is not an issue. What really matters is what
we do, how we do things, and how we achieve our objectives in serving the
most oppressed ethnic groups in the world (i.e., Darfur, Rohingyas,
Karens, etc.).
I assure you that you will not be wasting your time as we are not
wasting our time. We may learn things from you that may have historical perspective
(i.e. Chittagonians, Indians, Chinese in Burma during British time). You may also be educated about Rohingyas, Karens, etc., and the out-pouring of Christian West's support for them today. You may read/hear a lot in the world media, but there are much more behind the media coverage that we manage. Please continue to post in your various websites
(Nirinjara, etc.).
We all in the West would like to read and take notes. Thanks. (ဦးေလာရင့္မွာ အေနာက္တိုင္း ကို အထင္ၾကီးျပီး အေနာက္တိုင္းသည္ အေပၚက ေနေနျပီး ေစာင့္ၾကည့္ေနမည္ ဟူေသာ သေဘာျဖင့္ ဤစာကို ေရးဟန္တူပါသည္။ ခိုင္လံုေသာ သတင္းရပ္ကြက္ အရ ဦးေလာရင့္ ဆိုသူမွာ မူစလင္ အမ်ိဳးသား တစ္ဦးသာ ျဖစ္ျပီး အဂၤလိပ္စာ ကို ေကာင္းေကာင္းေရးသား ႏိုင္သူ တစ္ဦးသာ ျဖစ္ပါသည္။)
Sincerely,
Lawrence Dean, Ph. D.
AMC Groups International
Washington, D.C.
>>> From: Dean Lawrence
>>> Subject: Re: Rohingya issue
>>> To: "Edward Chan"
>>> Date: Monday, April 6, 2009, 6:25 PM
>>> Dear Mr. Aye Chan:
>>>
>>> We really do not believe that you have been out of the debate as
you
> are
>>> claiming. You have been in the debate using different names. We
went
>>> through
>>> several of your pieces (and emails) where you used various names
from
> the
>>> different countries. It is very ironic that being a Rakhine
> nationalist
>>> who
>>> is so much concerned about the cultural and religious identity,
you
>>> quickly
>>> adopted an old English name (Edward) which basically is a name of
our
>>> Christian heritage. How do you feel to be Edward; does it feel
like
>>> slightly
>>> elevated? (ဦးေလာရင့္မွာ ေဒါက္တာ ဦးေအးခ်မ္း၏ နာမည္ခံယူခ်က္ ကို သာ တိုက္ခိုက္ေနပါသည္။ သမိုင္းေၾကာင္းေရးရာ ေဆြးေႏြးႏိုင္ျခင္းမရွိပါ။ ၄င္းအျပင္ ဤေနရာတြင္ မစၥတာ ေလာရင့္၏ အေနာက္တိုင္းကို အထင္ၾကီးမွဳ မည္မွ် ၾကီးမားသည္ကို ျမင္ႏိုင္ပါသည္။ ) Secondly, the attachment of your historical accounts in
your
>>> email
>>> is just a series of numbers. How careless you can be! Is that how
you
>>> read
>>> and interpret the history as well? You are claiming that you are a
>>> historian, and you are asking me whether I am of the same kind.
Nope!
>>> History was not my specialty in graduate study; it was
International
>>> Ralations specializing in east European bloc during cold war.
However,
>>> our
>>> focus is
>>> different now. Our groups work very closely with many talented
> scholars
>>> who
>>> are quite knowledgeable about world's oppressed minorities. We
> acquire
>>> our
>>> information mainly from them. One thing these scholars do not
indulge
> in
>>> is
>>> fabricating the history, as you do. You fabricate and twist
history,
> and
>>> your dishonesty and deception is evident pretty much everywhere in
> your
>>> pieces. (မိမိစြပ္စြဲျပီး သကာလ စြပ္စြဲခ်က္ မွန္ကန္ေၾကာင္း သက္ေသ မျပႏိုင္ျပန္ပါ။)You are truly abusing the academic freedom by being the
>>> spokesperson
>>> of the Burmese Military Junta from a stage in Japan. (စြပ္စြဲခ်က္ သက္သက္ျဖင့္ စာမ်ားေရးသား ေနပါသည္။ အမွန္တကယ္ စာေပတတ္ေျမာက္ေနလွ်င္ သက္ေသျပခ်က္၊ အကိုးအကား ခိုင္ခိုင္လံုလံုျဖင့္ ေရးသား သင့္ပါသည္။) Now let's
get
> to the
>>> point: Rohingya.
>>>
>>> You must have been confused tremendously or it is just a deception
> from
>>> your
>>> part. However, your account of Chittagonian Bengalis coming to
Burma
>>> during
>>> and after British rule is correct; and that was for business
reason.
> Many
>>> British historian/writers had indicated that in their
publications.
> They
>>> came and settled in many cities in Burma, and did business as the
> Indians
>>> (i.e. Surathis, Tamilians, etc.) and even Pakistanis (Patan). They
did
>>> very
>>> well in free market economy until General Ne Win nationalized the
>>> industries
>>> and businesses. Even during that time (and after) there was a
> Pakistani
>>> diplomatic mission (later, Bangladeshi mission) in the city of
Sittwe
>>> (then
>>> known as Akyab) to serve the FRC (Foreigner Registration
Card)-holding
>>> Pakistanis/Bengalis . They were not servicing the native-Rohingyas
who
>>> were
>>> holding NRC (National Registration Card). You have knowlingly or
>>> unknowingly
>>> mixed these two; the native-Rohingya community and Chittagonian
>>> Bengali business community. (မူစလင္ အုပ္စုမ်ားကို အမ်ိဳးမ်ိဳးေသာ ယူဆခ်က္မ်ားျဖင့္ အုပ္စုခြဲ ေနပါသည္။ လူမ်ိဳးခြဲျခား အုပ္ခ်ဳပ္တတ္ေသာ ျဗိတိသွ်မ်ားပင္လွ်င္ ဤမွ်ခြဲျခား ႏိုင္ခဲ့ျခင္း မရွိခဲ့ပါ။ မူစလင္မ်ားမွာ သူမ်ားႏိုင္ငံကို စိုးမိုးလို၍ မိမိအမ်ိဳးသား မ်ားကို ပင္ ခြဲျခားေသာ စိတ္ျဖင့္ ဆက္ဆံေနၾကသည္မွာ အံၾသစရာ ေကာင္းလွပါသည္။) You are correct that Chittagonians in
> Arakan
>>> was mentioned in the history book; they were explicitly talking
about
>>> FRC-holding Chittagonian Bengalis, not Rohingyas. Although an
>>> overwhelming
>>> majority of Bengalis (and Indians and Pakistani Patans, for that
> matter)
>>> left Burma after Ne Win's revolution, still many stayed
behind.
> Even
>>> today
>>> you will see Bengali mosque, Surathi mosque, etc. in Rangoon.
These
> are
>>> evidence of Bengali and Indian population in Burma, and Rohingyas
are
> 300
>>> miles northwest in their native land, northern Arakan. These facts
of
>>> apples
>>> and oranges shouldn't be confusing to anyone.
>>>
>>> Now let's take a look at relationship between Bengalis and
> Rohingyas. Are
>>> they similar? Yes. Are they culturally tied? Absolutely? (အခုေတာ့ အတူတူျဖစ္ေၾကာင္း ကို ၀န္ခံျပီး ျဖစ္ေနပါသည္။ မိမိၾကိဳးျဖင့္ မိမိကို ပတ္မိေလျပီတကား။) Let's
> look at
>>> another analogy. The Rakhines (also known as Maghs) and the
Buremse
> (the
>>> ruling junta's race). Are they similar? Yes. Are they
culturally
> tied?
>>> Absolutely? Their languages? Almost the same (experts say only
slight
>>> difference is the pronunciation of certain words). We need to dig
a
>>> little
>>> more about the origin of Maghs as we do not know much about their
> origin
>>> at
>>> this point. Because of the similarities, it is likely that
Arakanese
> are
>>> descendants of Burmese. Is Arakanese a manufactured word? May be.
>>> Regardless, they are recognized as ethnic group (it shouldn't
have
> been
>>> since they are almost identical to Burmese). (ျမန္မာ ႏိုင္ငံ လြတ္လပ္ေရး ရျပီးစခါက ရခိုင္ႏွင့္မြန္ကို ဗမာတိုင္းရင္းသား အုပ္စုထဲတြင္ ထည့္ခဲ့ပါသည္။ ဤသည္ကို ဦးေလာရင့္ မသိပါ။ ေနာက္ပိုင္းတြင္မွာ ရခိုင္ႏွင့္မြန္သည္ သမိုင္း အေထာက္အထား ခိုင္ခိုင္လံုလံုျဖင့္ မိမိ၏ အိုင္ဒန္တီတီ ကို ခြဲျခားယူခဲ့ၾကျခင္း ျဖစ္ပါသည္။ ဦးေလာရင့္ ကား သမိုင္းေလ့လာမွဳ အားနည္းေပစြ။) It makes sense that
> Rohingya
>>> word may have been manufactured similarly, but IT WAS MANY
CENTURIES
> AGO. (သက္ေသ အေထာက္အထား ခိုင္ခိုင္လံုလံု ျပပါ၊ ဦးေလာရင့္။ သာမန္ျငင္းခံုရံုျဖင့္ ျပီးေသာ ကိစၥ မဟုတ္ပါ။)
>>> That is the main point that you will never be able to digest
because
> of
>>> so
>>> much abomination for
>>> another human race filled in your heart and soul.
>>>
>>> Let's look at current situation about Rohingyas. The
international
>>> community
>>> has recognized the ethnic name of Rohingya. (သတင္းဌာနမ်ားက ရိုဟင္ဂ်ာဟု မိမိကိုယ္မိမိ ေခၚသူေတြ ဒုကၡေရာက္ ဆင္းရဲေနသည္ ဟုသာ သိပါသည္။ သမိုင္းေၾကာင္း ဆိုင္ရာကို သတင္းဌာနမ်ား လိုအပ္ပါက စံုစမ္းလာၾကပါလိမ့္မည္။) This is significant
> because
>>> very
>>> little was known about them in the past. The Rohingya issue has
become
> a
>>> major factor in how the West supports the Burma pro-democracy
> movements
>>> (the
>>> real groups or junta-backed groups). The Rohingya issue has gained
so
>>> much
>>> momentum worldwide (even in Japan) now that it is virtually
> unstoppable. .
>>> You have a very difficult time ahead! (ဦးေလာရင့္မွာ ျခိမ္းေျခာက္ေသာ အလုပ္ကို သာ လုပ္တတ္ပါသည္။ သမိုင္းဆိုင္ရာ ေဆြးေႏြးျခင္း၊ သက္ေသျပျခင္း၊ အခ်က္အလက္အမွန္ ရွာေဖြျခင္း မရွိသျဖင့္ သမိုင္းဆရာတစ္ဦးျဖစ္ေသာ ေဒါက္တာ ဦးေအးခ်မ္း ႏွင့္ ေဆြးေႏြး ႏိုင္္ေသာ စာေပတတ္ေျမာက္မွဳ မရွိေၾကာင္း ထင္ရွားလာပါသည္။)
>>>
>>> Sincerely,
>>>
>>> Lawrence Dean, Ph.D.
>>> AMC Groups International
>>> Washington, D.C.
>>> From: Dean Lawrence
>>> Subject: Rohingya issue
>>> To: khin.maung.saw@ googlemail. com
>>> Cc: "Aye Chan"
>>> Date: Friday, April 3, 2009, 11:28 AM
>>> Dear Mr. Saw, Maung, and Htwe,
>>>
>>> Your lengthy reply is even more interesting than the previous
> postings..
>>> Does it really matter who we are, or does it matter what we write
and
> how
>>> we
>>> function as advocacy groups? It sure does matter.
>>>
>>> Your paranoia about Rohingya was consistently expressed in all the
> pieces
>>> you wrote. Your message is loud and clear - the Rohingyas are
> Bengalis
>>> and
>>> they are going to eat the Rakhines alive! Let's assume for
> minute that
>>> the
>>> Rohingyas are Bengalis. That means the Rakhines are truly
sandwiched
>>> between
>>> Burmese (the ruling junta's race) and the Bengalis. One of
them is
> going
>>> to
>>> eat the Rakhines alive within one or two generations. What are
your
>>> options?
>>>
>>> Your paranoia is so intense that no one in the western
civilization
> can
>>> convince you (the Rakhines) regardless of how the history has
> unfolded
>>> over
>>> the centuries. You do not seem to understand that human race or
> ethnicity
>>> do
>>> not stop with man-made border demarcation. These artificial
borders
> are
>>> drawn out by colonial British, and the native land of the
ill-fated
>>> Rohingyas in northern Rakhine fell in the Burma side. This is also
>>> true in
>>> other sides of Burma with Nagas and the tribes in Shan state, to
> mention
>>> just a couple. Burmese military has not much concern over those
tribes
>>> as they are not perceived to be a threat.
>>>
>>> You are absolutely correct that many Bengalis are also on the
refugee
>>> boat
>>> along with Rohingyas, and the Indonesian authorities have already
>>> identified
>>> them. There are many cultural similarities between Rohingyas and
>>> Bengalis,
>>> therefore, it is nut an issue for them for them to sail together
for
> the
>>> same destination. Now Bangladesh government is taking the Bengalis
> back,
>>> and
>>> Burmese junta is willing to take the Rohingyas back if they are
> declared
>>> as
>>> Bengalis. Does it make sense? Why should the Burmese junta accept
> the
>>> so-called Bengalis to settle in Burma. The reason is obvious - the
> junta
>>> knows well that these Rohingyas are truly the native of northern
> Rakhine.
>>> The ASEAN leaders and the western civilization recognize that it
is
>>> positive
>>> step, but the junta can never be trusted.
>>>
>>> No matter how harshly your group and some pro-democracy movement
> condemn
>>> Burmese military junta, the international community has a reason
to
> think
>>> that your accusations are rife with dishonesty and deceptions. In
> fact,
>>> many
>>> analysts in NGOs and U.S. governments suspect that at least some
of
> these
>>> pro-democracy movements are double-crossing and working closely
with
> the
>>> ruling Burmese military junta.
>>>
>>> We will watch and note what develops next.
>>>
>>> Sincerely,
>>>
>>> Lawrence Dean, Ph.D.
>>> AMC Groups International
>>> Washington, D.C.
From: Dean Lawrence
Subject: Re: Rohingya issue
Date: Friday, April 10, 2009, 12:55 PM
Dear Mr. Chan,
Many well respected historians had already rejected your claims as
fraudulent. (သမိုင္းပညာရွင္ မည္သူျဖစ္သည္ကို မေျပာျပႏိုင္ပါ။)We are not here to make personal attacks (i.e. barking
dogs , etc., as you mentioned) (ဆက္ဖတ္ပါ၊ ေျပာသလို မလုပ္တာ ကို သူ၏ေအာက္ပါ စာမ်ားတြင္ ဆက္လက္ ျမင္ရပါလိမ့္မည္) , but to point out that your claims are
baseless. (သူက ေဒါက္တာ ဦးေအးခ်မ္း၏ စာမ်ားကို အေျခအျမစ္မရွိ ဟု စြပ္စြဲေသာ္လည္း အမွန္တကယ္ အခ်က္အလက္မ်ားျဖင့္ သက္ေသမျပႏိုင္သည္မ်ားကို ဆက္လက္ျမင္ရပါမည္။) I am not a historian (as I said before), but we compile the
information gathered from various authentic sources, and we hand them
over to U.S. and European government agencies as well as other NGO's.
We read your papers written in your name and other names, and all has
a common serious flaw (ေဒါက္တာ ဦးေအးခ်မ္း၏ စာမ်ားတြင္ အမွားပါသည္ ဆိုေသာ ယူဆခ်က္တစ္ခု ကို တင္ျပျပီး သက္ေသမျပႏိုင္ေပ။) - Rohingyas are illegal immigrants entered
Burma during British colonial period and during Bangladesh
independence war. This is a fundamental flaw in all of your papers
which were written under different names. (ဘာေၾကာင့္မွားရသလဲ မေျပာျပႏိုင္ေသးပါ၊ မွားေနတယ္ မွားေနတယ္ လို ့သာ ေျပာေနပါတယ္။) You have no ground to
challenge since you have confused Rohingyas with those FRC
card-holding east Pakistanis(Chittago nians) during Mr. U Nu's
administration. We will keep an eye on your pieces as you continue to
portay Kanda as an evil institution in the name of academic platform. (ပုဂၢိဳလ္ေရး ကိုသာမက ၄င္းပုဂၢိဳလ္ အလုပ္လုပ္ကိုင္ေသာ စာေပရပ္၀န္း တစ္ခုကို ပါ ေပၚေပၚထင္ထင္ တိုက္ခိုက္လာတာ ျဖစ္ပါတယ္။)
Please communicate with us about Rohingyas and other persecuted
minorities in Asia, if you know of any. Thank you.
Sincerely,
Lawrence Dean, Ph.D.
AMC Groups International
Washington, D.C.
On Thu, 4/9/09,
Dean Lawrence wrote:
From: Dean Lawrence
Subject: Re: Rohingya issue
Date: Thursday, April 9, 2009, 1:33 PM
Dear Mr. Chan,
We were very pleased that you entered the debate a couple of weeks
ago. Unfortunately, you seem to be backing out very quickly with the
reason of wasting time. Promoting the cause of the nationalist
Bhuddist Rakhine (ဘာသာေရး ကို အဘယ္ေၾကာင့္ ထည့္ေျပာရပါသနည္း၊) and the Burmese military junta has always been one of your top priorities. (စြပ္စြဲခ်က္မ်ား ထည့္သြင္းထားပါသည္၊) Won't it be of tremendous benefit to your group and the junta, if you continue to post pieces on junta-backed
nationalist sites such as Narinjara.com and Rakhapura.com? (ဦးေလာရင့္မွာ အခ်က္အလက္မ်ား မွားေနသည္ကို ျပန္မဆန္းစစ္ မိေပ။ နရိန္စရာ သတင္း ဌာနမွာ စစ္အစိုးရႏွင့္ ပတ္သက္မွဳ မရွိရံု မက အတိုက္အခံ အင္အားစု ထဲမွ နာမည္ရ သတင္းဌာန တစ္ခု ျဖစ္ပါသည္။ နရိန္စရာ သတင္းဌာန နာမည္ရလာသည္မွာ လည္း သတင္းမ်ားကို အခ်ိန္ႏွင့္ တေျပးညီ ေဖာ္ျပႏိုင္ျခင္း၊ တစ္ျခားသတင္းဌာနမ်ား ထက္ ရခိုင္ေဒသ သတင္းမ်ားကို ပိုမို ေဖာ္ျပေပး ႏိုင္ျခင္း တို ့ေၾကာင့္ ျဖစ္ပါသည္။)
Additionally, your falsification of history of Rakhine state and it's
indigenous population in your various articles should also continue. (ယူဆခ်က္ တစ္ခုကို သက္ေသမျပႏိုင္လွ်င္ အမွန္အျဖစ္လက္မခံႏိုင္ ဟူေသာ ႏိုင္ငံတကာ စာေပ စည္းကမ္းတစ္ခု ကို ေဖာက္ဖ်က္ေနပါသည္။ )
The more you fabricate, the greater the attention that you will
receive. We will not be surprised if some day you receive attention
from Japanese authorities (including the board of trustees and
administrators for your small college) about your aiding and abetting
of ethnic cleansing by Burmese junta through your disinformation
campaign using Kanda as a platform. (ေဒါက္တာ ဦးေအးခ်မ္းမွာ ကန္ဒ တကၠသိုလ္ တြင္ အလုပ္လုပ္ေသာ္လည္း သူ၏ စာေပမ်ားမွာ တစ္ဦးတည္း ကိုယ္ပိုင္ ရပ္တည္ခ်က္မ်ား ျဖစ္ပါသည္။) Let's hope that Kanda administrators are not summoned to the Hague for serving as an ethnic
cleansing platform. (ဦးေလာရင့္မွာ ေဒါက္တာဦး ေအးခ်မ္းကို တိုက္ခိုက္ခ်င္ရံုမွ် မက သူအလုပ္လုပ္ေသာ ေနရာ ကိုပင္ ပ်က္စီးျခင္းသို ့ ေရာက္ေစခ်င္ေသာ မိစၦိရ စိတ္မ်ား လႊမ္းေနပါသည္။)
You said you have nothing to do with the postings in Narinjara and
Rakhapura sites, and indicated to us to contact the editorial board.
Then would you kindly give us the contact information on the so-called
editorial board of these sites. We will appreciate it very much if you
would assist us with the board members' names (excluding your
aliases). (ဦးေလာရင့္မွာ တစ္ဖန္ထပ္မံ၌ အက်ိဳးမရွိေသာ စာမ်ားကို ဆက္လက္ေရးသားပါသည္။ အင္တာနက္ေခတ္တြင္ သိခ်င္လွ်င္ Google အကူအညီယူ၌ အလုပ္ျဖစ္ေနၾကသည္ ကို မသိမူ၌ ကေလးဆိုး တစ္ဦးကဲ့သို့ သူမ်ား အကူအညီကို ေတာင္းခံေနေလသည္။) We assure you that there will be nothing personal in this.
Thank you again, and we hope to hear from you when you have a few
minutes to write.
Sincerely,
Lawrence Dean, Ph.D.
AMC Groups International
Washington, D.C.
On Tue, 4/7/09, Dean Lawrence
wrote:
From: Dean Lawrence
Subject: Re: Rohingya issue
Date: Tuesday, April 7, 2009, 9:09 AM
Dear Mr. Chan:
There is no need to be angry. Being a historian (as you claimed),
you could be a little more diplomatic. "I don't care..." all
these are kiddish expressions showing very little maturity. (ဤေရးသားခ်က္မွာ ပုဂၢိဳလ္ေရး တိုက္ခိုက္မွဳ သက္သက္သာ ျဖစ္ပါသည္။) I will not make much
issue out of your old English name, Edward, as it is not the central point. I
am glad that you took our traditional name. Just wondered being a
nationalist, why would you choose such a nick name which has a Christian
connotation. (ေရးစရာရွားလာ သျဖင့္ သူမ်ား၏ နာမည္ကို အေၾကာင္း ကို သာ ပုတ္ခတ္ေျပာဆိ ုလာပါသည္။ စာေပေရးရာ၊ သမိုင္းေရးရာ ႏွင့္ လံုးလံုးကင္းကြာလာပါသည္။ ) Since you are a nationalist Bhuddist, shouldn't you choose a Indian nickname such as Gautam, Agatha, etc. I assure you that these are not personal attacks. We are only searching for the logic. Whatever small thing one does,
it will get attention. To be objective, of course, one can legitimately point
out the character issue if an individual (from Japan or anywhere) is
engaged in deceptive activities (personally or politically) . You asked me
whether I am a white man or not. That is something that you should not worry.
You folks in Burma are always engaged in black, white, Indian, or
Chinese issue. One's appearance or gene pool should not matter. I may
be a white or black or Latin; that is not an issue. What really matters is what
we do, how we do things, and how we achieve our objectives in serving the
most oppressed ethnic groups in the world (i.e., Darfur, Rohingyas,
Karens, etc.).
I assure you that you will not be wasting your time as we are not
wasting our time. We may learn things from you that may have historical perspective
(i.e. Chittagonians, Indians, Chinese in Burma during British time). You may also be educated about Rohingyas, Karens, etc., and the out-pouring of Christian West's support for them today. You may read/hear a lot in the world media, but there are much more behind the media coverage that we manage. Please continue to post in your various websites
(Nirinjara, etc.).
We all in the West would like to read and take notes. Thanks. (ဦးေလာရင့္မွာ အေနာက္တိုင္း ကို အထင္ၾကီးျပီး အေနာက္တိုင္းသည္ အေပၚက ေနေနျပီး ေစာင့္ၾကည့္ေနမည္ ဟူေသာ သေဘာျဖင့္ ဤစာကို ေရးဟန္တူပါသည္။ ခိုင္လံုေသာ သတင္းရပ္ကြက္ အရ ဦးေလာရင့္ ဆိုသူမွာ မူစလင္ အမ်ိဳးသား တစ္ဦးသာ ျဖစ္ျပီး အဂၤလိပ္စာ ကို ေကာင္းေကာင္းေရးသား ႏိုင္သူ တစ္ဦးသာ ျဖစ္ပါသည္။)
Sincerely,
Lawrence Dean, Ph. D.
AMC Groups International
Washington, D.C.
>>> From: Dean Lawrence
>>> Subject: Re: Rohingya issue
>>> To: "Edward Chan"
>>> Date: Monday, April 6, 2009, 6:25 PM
>>> Dear Mr. Aye Chan:
>>>
>>> We really do not believe that you have been out of the debate as
you
> are
>>> claiming. You have been in the debate using different names. We
went
>>> through
>>> several of your pieces (and emails) where you used various names
from
> the
>>> different countries. It is very ironic that being a Rakhine
> nationalist
>>> who
>>> is so much concerned about the cultural and religious identity,
you
>>> quickly
>>> adopted an old English name (Edward) which basically is a name of
our
>>> Christian heritage. How do you feel to be Edward; does it feel
like
>>> slightly
>>> elevated? (ဦးေလာရင့္မွာ ေဒါက္တာ ဦးေအးခ်မ္း၏ နာမည္ခံယူခ်က္ ကို သာ တိုက္ခိုက္ေနပါသည္။ သမိုင္းေၾကာင္းေရးရာ ေဆြးေႏြးႏိုင္ျခင္းမရွိပါ။ ၄င္းအျပင္ ဤေနရာတြင္ မစၥတာ ေလာရင့္၏ အေနာက္တိုင္းကို အထင္ၾကီးမွဳ မည္မွ် ၾကီးမားသည္ကို ျမင္ႏိုင္ပါသည္။ ) Secondly, the attachment of your historical accounts in
your
>>> is just a series of numbers. How careless you can be! Is that how
you
>>> read
>>> and interpret the history as well? You are claiming that you are a
>>> historian, and you are asking me whether I am of the same kind.
Nope!
>>> History was not my specialty in graduate study; it was
International
>>> Ralations specializing in east European bloc during cold war.
However,
>>> our
>>> focus is
>>> different now. Our groups work very closely with many talented
> scholars
>>> who
>>> are quite knowledgeable about world's oppressed minorities. We
> acquire
>>> our
>>> information mainly from them. One thing these scholars do not
indulge
> in
>>> is
>>> fabricating the history, as you do. You fabricate and twist
history,
> and
>>> your dishonesty and deception is evident pretty much everywhere in
> your
>>> pieces. (မိမိစြပ္စြဲျပီး သကာလ စြပ္စြဲခ်က္ မွန္ကန္ေၾကာင္း သက္ေသ မျပႏိုင္ျပန္ပါ။)You are truly abusing the academic freedom by being the
>>> spokesperson
>>> of the Burmese Military Junta from a stage in Japan. (စြပ္စြဲခ်က္ သက္သက္ျဖင့္ စာမ်ားေရးသား ေနပါသည္။ အမွန္တကယ္ စာေပတတ္ေျမာက္ေနလွ်င္ သက္ေသျပခ်က္၊ အကိုးအကား ခိုင္ခိုင္လံုလံုျဖင့္ ေရးသား သင့္ပါသည္။) Now let's
get
> to the
>>> point: Rohingya.
>>>
>>> You must have been confused tremendously or it is just a deception
> from
>>> your
>>> part. However, your account of Chittagonian Bengalis coming to
Burma
>>> during
>>> and after British rule is correct; and that was for business
reason.
> Many
>>> British historian/writers had indicated that in their
publications.
> They
>>> came and settled in many cities in Burma, and did business as the
> Indians
>>> (i.e. Surathis, Tamilians, etc.) and even Pakistanis (Patan). They
did
>>> very
>>> well in free market economy until General Ne Win nationalized the
>>> industries
>>> and businesses. Even during that time (and after) there was a
> Pakistani
>>> diplomatic mission (later, Bangladeshi mission) in the city of
Sittwe
>>> (then
>>> known as Akyab) to serve the FRC (Foreigner Registration
Card)-holding
>>> Pakistanis/Bengalis . They were not servicing the native-Rohingyas
who
>>> were
>>> holding NRC (National Registration Card). You have knowlingly or
>>> unknowingly
>>> mixed these two; the native-Rohingya community and Chittagonian
>>> Bengali business community. (မူစလင္ အုပ္စုမ်ားကို အမ်ိဳးမ်ိဳးေသာ ယူဆခ်က္မ်ားျဖင့္ အုပ္စုခြဲ ေနပါသည္။ လူမ်ိဳးခြဲျခား အုပ္ခ်ဳပ္တတ္ေသာ ျဗိတိသွ်မ်ားပင္လွ်င္ ဤမွ်ခြဲျခား ႏိုင္ခဲ့ျခင္း မရွိခဲ့ပါ။ မူစလင္မ်ားမွာ သူမ်ားႏိုင္ငံကို စိုးမိုးလို၍ မိမိအမ်ိဳးသား မ်ားကို ပင္ ခြဲျခားေသာ စိတ္ျဖင့္ ဆက္ဆံေနၾကသည္မွာ အံၾသစရာ ေကာင္းလွပါသည္။) You are correct that Chittagonians in
> Arakan
>>> was mentioned in the history book; they were explicitly talking
about
>>> FRC-holding Chittagonian Bengalis, not Rohingyas. Although an
>>> overwhelming
>>> majority of Bengalis (and Indians and Pakistani Patans, for that
> matter)
>>> left Burma after Ne Win's revolution, still many stayed
behind.
> Even
>>> today
>>> you will see Bengali mosque, Surathi mosque, etc. in Rangoon.
These
> are
>>> evidence of Bengali and Indian population in Burma, and Rohingyas
are
> 300
>>> miles northwest in their native land, northern Arakan. These facts
of
>>> apples
>>> and oranges shouldn't be confusing to anyone.
>>>
>>> Now let's take a look at relationship between Bengalis and
> Rohingyas. Are
>>> they similar? Yes. Are they culturally tied? Absolutely? (အခုေတာ့ အတူတူျဖစ္ေၾကာင္း ကို ၀န္ခံျပီး ျဖစ္ေနပါသည္။ မိမိၾကိဳးျဖင့္ မိမိကို ပတ္မိေလျပီတကား။) Let's
> look at
>>> another analogy. The Rakhines (also known as Maghs) and the
Buremse
> (the
>>> ruling junta's race). Are they similar? Yes. Are they
culturally
> tied?
>>> Absolutely? Their languages? Almost the same (experts say only
slight
>>> difference is the pronunciation of certain words). We need to dig
a
>>> little
>>> more about the origin of Maghs as we do not know much about their
> origin
>>> at
>>> this point. Because of the similarities, it is likely that
Arakanese
> are
>>> descendants of Burmese. Is Arakanese a manufactured word? May be.
>>> Regardless, they are recognized as ethnic group (it shouldn't
have
> been
>>> since they are almost identical to Burmese). (ျမန္မာ ႏိုင္ငံ လြတ္လပ္ေရး ရျပီးစခါက ရခိုင္ႏွင့္မြန္ကို ဗမာတိုင္းရင္းသား အုပ္စုထဲတြင္ ထည့္ခဲ့ပါသည္။ ဤသည္ကို ဦးေလာရင့္ မသိပါ။ ေနာက္ပိုင္းတြင္မွာ ရခိုင္ႏွင့္မြန္သည္ သမိုင္း အေထာက္အထား ခိုင္ခိုင္လံုလံုျဖင့္ မိမိ၏ အိုင္ဒန္တီတီ ကို ခြဲျခားယူခဲ့ၾကျခင္း ျဖစ္ပါသည္။ ဦးေလာရင့္ ကား သမိုင္းေလ့လာမွဳ အားနည္းေပစြ။) It makes sense that
> Rohingya
>>> word may have been manufactured similarly, but IT WAS MANY
CENTURIES
> AGO. (သက္ေသ အေထာက္အထား ခိုင္ခိုင္လံုလံု ျပပါ၊ ဦးေလာရင့္။ သာမန္ျငင္းခံုရံုျဖင့္ ျပီးေသာ ကိစၥ မဟုတ္ပါ။)
>>> That is the main point that you will never be able to digest
because
> of
>>> so
>>> much abomination for
>>> another human race filled in your heart and soul.
>>>
>>> Let's look at current situation about Rohingyas. The
international
>>> community
>>> has recognized the ethnic name of Rohingya. (သတင္းဌာနမ်ားက ရိုဟင္ဂ်ာဟု မိမိကိုယ္မိမိ ေခၚသူေတြ ဒုကၡေရာက္ ဆင္းရဲေနသည္ ဟုသာ သိပါသည္။ သမိုင္းေၾကာင္း ဆိုင္ရာကို သတင္းဌာနမ်ား လိုအပ္ပါက စံုစမ္းလာၾကပါလိမ့္မည္။) This is significant
> because
>>> very
>>> little was known about them in the past. The Rohingya issue has
become
> a
>>> major factor in how the West supports the Burma pro-democracy
> movements
>>> (the
>>> real groups or junta-backed groups). The Rohingya issue has gained
so
>>> much
>>> momentum worldwide (even in Japan) now that it is virtually
> unstoppable. .
>>> You have a very difficult time ahead! (ဦးေလာရင့္မွာ ျခိမ္းေျခာက္ေသာ အလုပ္ကို သာ လုပ္တတ္ပါသည္။ သမိုင္းဆိုင္ရာ ေဆြးေႏြးျခင္း၊ သက္ေသျပျခင္း၊ အခ်က္အလက္အမွန္ ရွာေဖြျခင္း မရွိသျဖင့္ သမိုင္းဆရာတစ္ဦးျဖစ္ေသာ ေဒါက္တာ ဦးေအးခ်မ္း ႏွင့္ ေဆြးေႏြး ႏိုင္္ေသာ စာေပတတ္ေျမာက္မွဳ မရွိေၾကာင္း ထင္ရွားလာပါသည္။)
>>>
>>> Sincerely,
>>>
>>> Lawrence Dean, Ph.D.
>>> AMC Groups International
>>> Washington, D.C.
>>> From: Dean Lawrence
>>> Subject: Rohingya issue
>>> To: khin.maung.saw@ googlemail. com
>>> Cc: "Aye Chan"
>>> Date: Friday, April 3, 2009, 11:28 AM
>>> Dear Mr. Saw, Maung, and Htwe,
>>>
>>> Your lengthy reply is even more interesting than the previous
> postings..
>>> Does it really matter who we are, or does it matter what we write
and
> how
>>> we
>>> function as advocacy groups? It sure does matter.
>>>
>>> Your paranoia about Rohingya was consistently expressed in all the
> pieces
>>> you wrote. Your message is loud and clear - the Rohingyas are
> Bengalis
>>> and
>>> they are going to eat the Rakhines alive! Let's assume for
> minute that
>>> the
>>> Rohingyas are Bengalis. That means the Rakhines are truly
sandwiched
>>> between
>>> Burmese (the ruling junta's race) and the Bengalis. One of
them is
> going
>>> to
>>> eat the Rakhines alive within one or two generations. What are
your
>>> options?
>>>
>>> Your paranoia is so intense that no one in the western
civilization
> can
>>> convince you (the Rakhines) regardless of how the history has
> unfolded
>>> over
>>> the centuries. You do not seem to understand that human race or
> ethnicity
>>> do
>>> not stop with man-made border demarcation. These artificial
borders
> are
>>> drawn out by colonial British, and the native land of the
ill-fated
>>> Rohingyas in northern Rakhine fell in the Burma side. This is also
>>> true in
>>> other sides of Burma with Nagas and the tribes in Shan state, to
> mention
>>> just a couple. Burmese military has not much concern over those
tribes
>>> as they are not perceived to be a threat.
>>>
>>> You are absolutely correct that many Bengalis are also on the
refugee
>>> boat
>>> along with Rohingyas, and the Indonesian authorities have already
>>> identified
>>> them. There are many cultural similarities between Rohingyas and
>>> Bengalis,
>>> therefore, it is nut an issue for them for them to sail together
for
> the
>>> same destination. Now Bangladesh government is taking the Bengalis
> back,
>>> and
>>> Burmese junta is willing to take the Rohingyas back if they are
> declared
>>> as
>>> Bengalis. Does it make sense? Why should the Burmese junta accept
> the
>>> so-called Bengalis to settle in Burma. The reason is obvious - the
> junta
>>> knows well that these Rohingyas are truly the native of northern
> Rakhine.
>>> The ASEAN leaders and the western civilization recognize that it
is
>>> positive
>>> step, but the junta can never be trusted.
>>>
>>> No matter how harshly your group and some pro-democracy movement
> condemn
>>> Burmese military junta, the international community has a reason
to
> think
>>> that your accusations are rife with dishonesty and deceptions. In
> fact,
>>> many
>>> analysts in NGOs and U.S. governments suspect that at least some
of
> these
>>> pro-democracy movements are double-crossing and working closely
with
> the
>>> ruling Burmese military junta.
>>>
>>> We will watch and note what develops next.
>>>
>>> Sincerely,
>>>
>>> Lawrence Dean, Ph.D.
>>> AMC Groups International
>>> Washington, D.C.
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